dickerson fly rod tapers

BTW, Paul, different strokes for different folks. Can't remember which is which without looking in the book, but one is lighter than the other. (Robin Haywood). ), Then as it was, then again it will be. They will not be using straight tapers, I'm afraid. As a general rule, a 12/64 gives you a four weight, a 13/64 a five, 14 or 15 a six. 0.120 Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post The '51 is a bit softer. Yes you do have the seemingly limitless variation of moving the point or points and amount of material added or removed along the rod length. (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". A lot goes into crafting a bamboo fly rod and here you can learn more about our approach. No Question about it, John Pickard. Start out by choosing your fly rod, and follow it up with a visit to our collection of fly reels. by cwood 05/08/09 02:51, Post Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive). The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. 85 0.3145 15 0.115 163502 My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. (Jerry Foster). My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? 0.308 This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. If it's starting at the cork, somebody got their dimensions messed up. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! Some good stuff here. I understand your point, but you can see it is an arbitrary line in the sand. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. 45 0.186 158623 Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. (Mark Wendt). They turn into 5 wts at about 60 feet, up till there, they are are 6 wts. 15 .128 .274 My 2 cents. (Rich Jezioro). Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs. As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. Thanks for posting the Dickerson 861711 taper. Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. Post You bring up a question I have been trying to work through for some time. I haven't tried a WF6 but suspect it'd be about perfect. Contact us to learn more about how we can help! 0.153 There are about 4 to 5 version of the 7013, I like the 1970 version the best. That's like saying that only the 49ers could find gold. and .360@45. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. (Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". Whether Dickerson tweaked them to suit individuals or not I can't say. Chris' rod is also an 861711D. 0.241 Sorry! An awful lot of fudging, especially as he could have made up tip rings quite easily. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). 5 0.088 112541 It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. One of these days I am going to get myself a DICKERSON! The varnish is in good condition. I based the statement of one SLT for a line weight on Bob Norwood's tip dimensions. I always encourage customers to try before they buy. Rod Selection - Dickerson Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Dickerson Tapers, Can someone help me find the taper for the Dickerson 7613. Some people call them "step-down" but it is worth noting that the top and the bottom openings of his ferrules are usually the same diameter; the "step" across the ferrule occurred in the bamboo, not the metal. 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. (David Zincavage), You can inform your authority that he is wayyyyyyyyyy off base!! 40 0.180 146694 OK, the rod was a Paul Young Perfectionist. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. 2 wt 0.0585 Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. 761510: 7'6" 3/2 5 wt. I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. (Will Price). In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. (Chris Obuchowski). The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! The 1970 Dickerson has the same type tip as the 1952 except it has a very shallow flex in the upper butt and a faster swell into the butt, a 4/5 wt, faster rod. 0.093 Its a very useful exercise. Nice taper but you may feel the large flex area on long casts with a 8 WF line. I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. (Chris Obuchowski). And, after you "get used to it" you will fall in love with this rod taper. I am assuming this is an unvarnished rod. that'd be super! However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. The difference is for a step-down ferrule. Its the old problem, everyone wants to tell us what they think the answer is, but they never want to tell us why in terms unequivocal and universal! Very Good condition. 80 0.3 This is one of those bio-feedback things you must be self taught IMHO. No question my friend John Pickard is the way to go for a Dickerson reproduction. I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). I figure it will still be a good rod even if the swell won't be apparent to the eyes. Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? That is all I did! Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. I've fished mine from a drift boat on the Green river and had great success. For my money I can think of a couple of rods I like better than anything Dickerson made. By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) 0.232 I highly recommend him. Most of the ones I have made and sold are the PHY Perfectionist taper. This is because the laws of physics don't tend to change much. (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? I think the perfectionist is a fine taper and rod. There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. The last page shows our interpolated numbers, on 5 inch stations, with varnish already subtracted, using both the Howell method (measure stations from the butt up) or the "classic" method (measure stations from the tip down.) Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? 0.174 Measure over original varnish. Pickard is the Dickerson rod maker these days. Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. I like Dickerson's fast action, but I have not had a chance to try every rod Jim Payne made. I really must stir myself to come and fish them, it's time that's the enemy. The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. This taper, starting with a .068 tip dimension, makes a great middle distance 8' WF6 or 7-1/2' 5wt. I would specifically urge all to look at the graphs. faster tapers. 2 piece. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. Point Dimension There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. I do not rule out the possibility of owning a Lyle Dickerson rod one day but, may I ask, if you own or were having a rod made today with a Dickerson taper, If you want a Dickerson - John Pickard is your best choice. I would also like to know why a Dickerson 7613 taper imparts those characteristics. So it seems that we are actually in complete agreement. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. Line Size Tip Size (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. (Chris Obuchowski). On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. (Paul Blakley), I use the taper in Maurer's book, which is the same as Wane C's, which supposedly came from Young's mill. Dickerson 8615 - 8.5ft 2pc 7wt Posted by Gary Lohkamp,15 Jan 1997. .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. But if you really like Dickerson tapers (i sure do) then getting a good maker to whip up his version of that taper while using his personal cosmetics would be my first choice. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. 9 wt 0.0890. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. I have fished some pretty big water with this rod and it has served me very well. If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? First found in the United States in 2014 in southeastern Pennsylvania, spotted lanternfly has spread rapidly through the eastern states. . That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. I won't know the difference if it isn't perfect but want to do things approximately correct. 75 0.279 126179 A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. (Bob Norwood). 1 wt 0.0540 double taper silk lines at short ranges. All Rights Reserved. 0.205 Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. Howell says "they are just different" in his book, but I am looking for something bit more specific. (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank $85.00 13' 7/8wt. (John Channer). 0.369 It seems that a Garrison-type taper with a straight, flat stress curve would be the most likely to be tolerable. I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. 70 0.261 133729 - Led Zeppelin, 10 Years Gone. It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . 35 .207 .086 One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. I fail to see anything in the manor of specifications for your making a point that you feel there is a difference between the two, in fact I would like to show you that they are, under the right conditions, EXACTLY THE SAME. by bluesjay 06/19/16 13:59, Post In fact, I use the 7613 that I made a lot of the time, even while Hex fishing last week on the Manistee! You can draw a straight line between the tip and the butt of any taper. 0 0.072 - For anyone who hasn't done so, it is a really simple and useful exercise to combine tapers for rods of the same length and line weight in a spreadsheet such as excel and make a line chart of them. 75 0.2855 If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. The only question that puzzles me is why on earth he thought this might be important for fishing the Risle, which is hardly the Tay. 15 0.1115 To this Robin brings up the complications created by the weight and placement of ferrules etc. Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. Ten measurements on the butt and ten stations on the tip. I hope this helps you out some, they are actually all nice rods, but as I said there is a little different in line sizes. Hi Guys, Also, some of those Heddons would have had pins through the tab area causing, in my view, problems. Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? Dickerson 8014 8' 5wt. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. Mystic Outdoors is the premier manufacturer of high-performance fly fishing equipment for new anglers and seasoned veterans alike. Could this be the difference between an 861711D and an 861711? Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. 6-strip Tonkin bamboo The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. 0.214 Help from forum members would be welcomed. Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. I think you are being a tad myopic, if you can't see that .016, .014, and .015 AVERAGE OUT to equal .014". the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. I like Paynes too! The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. (Reed Guice). It's all pulled through by hand. This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. I think you have fallen into the same trap that so many people do and forgot to realize that Stress Curves are only good for the conditions under which they are derived; change the conditions and you have changed the Curve. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post by FWdB 05/08/09 03:32, Post Edwards Edwards #25 Quad - 7ft 4wt light tip The stepdown in the female is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule goes over the bamboo to 12/64 ID where it accepts the male slide. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. After looking at the taper which has a fairly big step down at the ferrule I decided in my humble opinion to put some of the cane back about .01". I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. Garrison's tapers may have been all right in his day, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e. The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. Just giving a different perspective and what has worked for me. Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. John's the guy. 4.6 ounces. I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. 20 .140 .298 That's the "raw cane" numbers. (Harry Boyd). Pt 0 is the butt side of the strips. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. (Robin Haywood), Why don't you design some roll casting ability into every rod? The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. 70 0.271 Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? I recently sold a rod to a customer blind on the phone. Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. Different tools for doing different things. The rod in question has a test curve of 4 ozs, by the way. That's not a lot to ask is it? I have always wondered why we don't just build linear tapers. I own one of his 7612s and it's a wonderful rod. Nowadays, some guys machine ferrules out of bar stock, and they have a reasonable way to make the openings different sizes on the top and bottom. Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. Dickerson Rods. 20 .245 .130 I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. $239.00 + $24.95 shipping (2) Vintage HEDDON PAL Casting Rods - #6277 Wormer 5'6"+ #6273 Musky Special 5' . A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. 30 .174 .318 If you are building in the drop at the ferule that Dickerson used, you will usually end up using a size larger ferrule than you'd normally think. 15 .128 .278 It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. 0.278 Over the time I have made rods. Made several of them. (Will McMurrey). 35 0.162 166451 The thickness of varnish of course was just our guess. Except that they are US rated and thus #5's! The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. I want to build a rod that does what a Dickerson 7613 does when casting and fished. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. . The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. Inevitably, if part of the strain is caused by rings ferrules and varnish, as it must be, then its resultant effect will detract from the weight of line that rod will cast. Parabolic is a marketing term and thus entirely meaningless in discussions on rod design. First, no one casts the same. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" by dkrismer 06/12/16 20:36, Post 0.205 Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea build linear tapers taper! A very interesting a test curve of 4 ozs, by the way go. 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